nixon as a layer cake. eight, nine layers thick. there's the conservative person. a loaner. a realist, overseas. a hater at some level. and, also, a really good poker player. so he was a much more complicated piece of work. he had been your average president and most of them are complicated. >> a good part of them were just spooky. >> well, at some point, he had just been a striver and a scraper. >> the world of french, the chinese love this guy. the french love him. maybe that's like jerry lewis. maybe it doesn't say a lot, but it is strange. you know that, douglas? we look at him in a particular way. he's ours. anyway, thank you, happy birth day, dick, where ever you are and richard nixon. i am not a nixon hater. it's much more complicated. thank you, gentleman. the name of your book? president's club. your book, crime cutting. hell of a book. when we return, let me finish with a tale of two presidents. you're watching "hardball." the place for politics. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... on your head?